because they know that there's a law of diminishing returns. and although there is some public dissatisfaction in israel, i think that's partially because their leaders have told them that there are military solutions where there aren't military solutions and their own leaders have avoided the political solutions that ultimately are needed. >> mr. levy, it's alina cho here along with brooke. i guess my question to you is this. the cease-fire has now been holding for some 16 1/2 hours, 2:00 p.m. eastern time, 9:00 p.m. local time there. they will have reached the 24-hour mark and the border crossings will reopen into gaza. at that point, as you know, the sort of more meaty talks will begin, right? what do you expect the demands on both sides to look like? >> i'm sorry, alina. i think, to be honest, what you're defining as the more meaty talks probably will not end up being that. i think the meaty stuff was primarily getting to a cease-fire. and although as you absolutely, rightly note, there are clauses in this agreement about opening up gaza. i